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Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:53 pm
by Xyzor
I think everyone would agree that the Guild (and in particular, Guild Raid) System needs a major update. The balance is still largely based on 10/12 chapters, and it is woefully annoying that advanced guilds can't keep more than 1-2 raids opens without creating gap days (clearing faster than we can acquire new GPs). There are a couple of ways to fix this, the easiest of which would be to increase the daily contribution limit again and overall GP cap. Here is a more complicated, but also more fun, suggestion:

Add Guild Levels

The general concept would be to allow guilds to level up based on either GPs acquired and/or other quest-like group activities. Some in-game activities that could award Guild XP could be:

Raid Completion within Bonus Time (see more on this below)
Setting Raid Damage Records (maybe)
Guild HoL Rank
Guild War Performance
Achievement/Tier Bonuses (get 25/40/50 members, X number of combined hero stars, X number of Top-5 Hero stars, # of Guild Awakened Heroes, similar achievements awarded at various tier levels, like the individual level up or total hero quests).
New Daily/weekly Guild Quests (use a certain # of raid attacks, hit a specific dmg amount in HoL, things like that)

Leveling up your guild could provide various in-game benefits, like:

Raise GP Cap
Raise GP Daily Contribution
Discount in Guild Store (or unlocking heroes in the guild store, new or existing that aren't usually there)
Ability to purchase other store currencies in Guild Store (HoL, EA, CoF, etc).
Discount to Raid Costs (see more on this below)
Discount in GW Registration
Increase in Bonus Award Amounts
New Frames/Avatars


There a couple ways the above changes could affect raiding:

A) The costs to open raid and completion bonus periods/amounts stay the same, but discounts become available as Guilds level up.

B) Each time (or after a certain number of times) a raid is completed within the bonus time, the Guild receives a discount for opening that raid, and the future bonus period is shorter. Put 5-10 levels for each raid that guilds can shoot for, and award Guild XP as they achieve each level. This would preclude overall raid discounts based on Guild levels, of course. You could even have each Raid Level get progressively more difficult, or unlock Heroic Versions if a guild can max out a Raid.

I think B is a much more fun and interesting approach. It would keep some interest in all Raid levels for guilds of all levels of game progression. Would be a fun challenge for top guilds to try to complete Raid 7 within 2 hours, without it costing them the ability to re-open other raids needed for gear progression. It would allow older, more experienced guilds to leverage the time and energy they've spent, and have the GPs available, to keep more than 1 raid open at a time.

Benefits of these Changes

Obviously, the main benefit would be enhancing the collaborative portions of the game. Providing more fun mid- and end-game options for your playerbase will keep top-end players interested for longer periods of time, and allow low- and mid-level players to contribute more to the guild than they currently do.

For raiding, it will allow guilds to run 2-3-4 raids at once, which is both more fun and more challenging if the bonus timer shrinks each time. Even moreso if Raids become more difficult or have unlock-able Heroic versions (which could drop more useful loot).

One of the most impactful benefits of these changes would be a motivation for players to form multiple strong guilds to compete for top spots on every server. Many servers are dominated by just 1-2 guilds, with a slew of other, small ones, that are unable to compete. The benefits provided by a strong guild would incentivize players to stick together and promote more competition and teamwork, especially at the top. It would also probably reduce constant guild hopping.


There are two concerns I could foresee opponents of this idea having:

1. Too much loot available. I understand that limiting Guilds' access to raid levels slows the rate at which they acquire loot, and in the minds of game-designers, slower progress equals more spending and longer periods of interest for your players. Hopefully you could balance either drop-rates or loot tables to keep this from getting out of hand. That said, with the increasing number of new heroes each month, providing a mechanism for new- and mid-level players to level and gear up faster is probably a good thing.

2. Makes the strong even stronger. Yes, the big established guilds that already dominate some servers will get even stronger. That will always be the way of things. Hopefully, though, the added benefits will cause more big guilds to emerge to challenge them.

Thanks for taking the time to read this! I would be very interested in discussing other players' thoughts on these ideas. Please reply and let me know what you think, or if you see any problems, have additional ideas, or have a completely different approach to solve some of these current problems.

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:16 pm
by TeamTorres
Great post! I agree changes need to be made to our guild system. It's become very repetitive opening raids 12/14 on earlier servers. Any other raids opened besides 12/14 closes within 12 hours. Even with a 50 player guild with a max contribution 800 stamina/GP, the struggle to keep more than 1 raid open is real!!!! Maybe it's time for campaigns chapters 15/16 to come out and introduce new raids, with much more difficulty in completing them.

Once again, great post and I know this will be grabbing the games attention.

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:26 pm
by Xyzor
Another nice change could be added some nodes to some of the shorter raid dungeons. 13 and 14 both have only 6 nodes, while 12 has 8. The rest mostly have 7. Adding a node or two to 13 and 14 with some of the more in-demand loot (Natural Remedies, Ancient Royal Swords, Sage Wands, Spartan Daggers, etc) could be a nice, small, change. Could also affect the timing enough to make opening 12 and/or 13 or 14 viable.

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:19 pm
by Arclight
That's a tremendous nice idea for the future. Nothing to add for the guild leveling part, it feels well-conceived and smooth. For raiding I'd choose option "B" as well. When speaking of my guild we have chapter 14 open for 10 weeks already to make sure everyone can finish their daily quest (only one hero allowed there). Chapter 12 is almost opened every to every other day to farm loot. But even there we allow only 3 heroes per attack now to keep it longer open. It's like Lisa said, it's very repetitive and slightly boring doing always the same things.

Really hope Hengli and the development staff of Lilith will give this a serious consideration! :)

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 10:09 pm
by Synthas
Great ideas!!

My guild often faces the challenge of trying to keep raids open. It would be nice if we could go full force on the raids instead of sending in Flora.

Like you said, perhaps a difficulty setting beyond Raid could be added like how WoW has different difficulties for raids and loot is increased based on the difficulty.

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 11:47 pm
by Johnny
Very good and well thought out post. Agree with everything!

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:46 am
by Bael
Great post, well thought out and I really hope some of it sees gameplay.

Ive seen similar games with a donation to guild freature. gold/items/diamonds
granting the donor stamina and the total amount in guild generate some sort of bonuses.
The SH beta, allstar heroes also had an admiration feature, where mated could support a fellow w gold, granting them stamina

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:24 pm
by hengli
Very interesting suggestions, thank you very much for your feedback. We will study what you proposed.

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 7:35 pm
by Xyzor
Thanks Hengli. Happy to hear it!

I hope a system incorporating some of these ideas makes into a future (but not to distant) update.

Re: Guild System Re-Vamp Suggestions

Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:09 pm
by Urion
I like some of your suggestions Xyzor.
Great post =)
When it comes to raiding, you can keep raids open as Arclight suggested.
The only issue is communication, we keep a raid open and only allow Flora to attack.
The first few times we did this, the raid was done in a few hrs lol.
After a lot of failures, everyone has it down for the most part.

It would be nice if Guild Leaders/Elders could see damage done in raids, so we can keep track of who isn't listening.
Also, can Guild Leaders get the ability to move GW units around?
There are many times when you need to move quickly and you can't get a hold of a teammate.